I’m sorry but, what the fuck is wrong with Latino men? Please explain this so my smooth ass European brain can understand!
highly religious
Highly patriarchal
Religious, macho, hatred of other-Latin (Mexicans, Guatemalans, Nicaraguans, Domincans etc. have a lot of interrelational hatred), and I-got-mine-ing (pulling up the ladder once they got their citizenship).
I remember 2016 analysis. Texas promised a lot of wall construction jobs. Florida threatened Castro’s ghost was going be donated Miami by commie HRC and Biden in 2020. Latinos may be made to hate each other, by country of origin, or ladder being pulled out for those not here yet, for all I know.
By far the biggest indicator of Trump support/voting intentions is how much they consume “trans normalization outrage porn”. Trump’s baseless confidence that giving all of America to oligarchs will create more jobs can influence low information/analytical people as well.
In 1998 Clinton’s secretary of state stent a SWAT team in to the house of some Cuban immigrants to kidnap a child who’s mother died getting him out of Cuba but because his dad was still in Cuba they figured the best way to solve the problem involved point guns at people. Since that event Latinos have voted almost exclusively for Republicans.
My only hope is if there is ever another election they will finally find someone else to hate more than Janet Reno.I might have the wrong attribution, but I think it was Regan who said “Latino voters are Republicans who don’t know it yet.”
No fucking way this is real data. Dont believe everything you see on the internet people this is clearly bullshit. Trump won yes but no fucking way is this data legit. Its just hate spewing this post should be fucking dropped for false information. No way blue states had all white men voting Trump lol fuck off OP.
This. There is no shot that around 85% of white men votes Trump. Not a chance in hell.
Chart shows 60% not 85 for white men
I see upon zooming very far in that the pixelated bar seems to say electoral college but under it nearly unintelligibly it has the vote breakdown. Misleading.
It’s not misleading, that’s how the electoral college works lmao. 49% of votes could go to the second-place candidate and the first-place candidate could still win every single electoral vote. The system doesn’t care about people’s votes, only the electoral votes matter for presidential elections. The map shows exactly what it claims to show.
Shows the vote totals below the bar. Shows the electoral votes on the bar. Super pixelated and small. It’s misleading. I understand the electoral system you condescending twat.
Electoral college does that
Electoral votes, not people votes. If you don’t know how that works, here’s the Wikipedia page.
Link to the data, a source of the infograph, or something that can get me to interpret what I’m actually looking at. I tried to figure out where it came from and can’t find it. I don’t see how a wiki link to “The Electoral College” even begins to explain this infograph, and I think it’s weird that you think it does.
Electoral votes are winner take all with the exception of Maine and Nebraska. With that in mind there should only be a maximum of 4 colors for all of these maps. Since they are using shades we are led to believe that it is a proportion of population. If it is in fact using electoral college votes than these maps highly manipulative.
The details are basically unreadable from how shitty this version of the infograph is. From what I can tell there’s 4 different legends that are unique to each map. The colors, at least according to what I can read on the legend, only convey what each state is named and how many electoral votes each state has. That may not be the case, but it’s impossible to tell since it’s basically unreadable. The legends also appear to be different on the last map than they are on the first 3 maps. Again, I can’t tell exactly because it’s basically unreadable on every map.
There’s no way to tell what the hell the data means other than someone pasting big bold titles. The fact that the titles don’t appear to be displayed consistently and they cut out a dropdown on the left seems weird as hell. I have no way of telling what those selections were even within the tool they were using. Which seems like an odd bit of information to exclude.
Which brings me back to the most important point, there’s no readable citation. All of these are cleared up with a citation to a source. The data could in fact be genuinely displaying what it’s made out to convey, but I can’t possibly tell that without looking at the source of the data, checking what/where the data came from, and then recreating these maps in whatever tool they used. A citation would at least be step 1 to make this infograph anything other than weird propaganda.
Imagine being in this much denial about the reality of racist usa.
But on the other hand I would like to see a source. Edit: source fwiw.
That thread says they were created using this tool, but I see no way to isolate genders there: https://www.cookpolitical.com/swingometer/2024
It looks like someone isolated the different racial categories, then tacked on “men” for superior click-bait.
Did trump win?
I thought there was a court case about this now.
This is why ballots should be manually counted. Those machines were not tested.
Regardless I also agree there is trouble with this data as when you cast ballots giving nationality and gender isn’t done on a ballot from what I understood unless this is different in AmericaUS. There is polling which can reflect but if nothing else I’m now forever dubious about any system that isn’t counted manually offline now.
No Trump didn’t win. They stole the election just like they were screaming that they would. Here’s the data about the failed attempt in 2020 and the successful attempt in 2024. This is the foundation for a ton more cases.
https://sdvoice.info/trump-lost-vote-suppression-won-here-are-the-numbers/
https://youtu.be/UgIay64Obcs
https://youtu.be/t-yr-Mgkhm0
https://electiontruthalliance.org/eta
First and last links are the data. The middle links are for us stupid people that need to be told how to read the data in the last link
Also no chance all black men voted blue either. Sexism is strong in this country, like really.fuckmorhering strong
Also no chance all black men voted blue either.
That’s not at all what this is saying.
Yeah but it is saying that literacy is a dying skill
None of this data is accurate. At all. This is sensationalist garbage.
Electoral votes, not people votes. If you don’t know how that works, here’s the Wikipedia page.
Electoral votes, not people votes. If you don’t know how that works, here’s the Wikipedia page.
Who are you going to believe? The incessent liberal urge to accuse minorities of being bigoted, or your own, lying eyes?
Really guys
This is lemmy cmon, at least put in the effort to question the data source
How many of you even had an option to fill in your race on your voter registration form? My state doesn’t even collect this info.
Its a shitpost that makes pearl-clutching liberals feel good.
Man = bad
White man = badder
🤷🏽♂️
Updoots to the left
Idk to me this is just “you’re all fucked except the west coast”
Your comment is hilarious because you think you’re being facetious but you are accurately observing reality. “Pearl clutching liberals” lmao I love traitor lunatic babbling nonsense.
Lol ok
You think that it’s all just guesswork? Lmao good Satan please help me.
No
All I see is one of the dumbest nations on the planet and a clear indication that things will continue to decline regardless of whether Donald Trump is wasting oxygen or not.
Dark future.
As an American who didn’t vote for fascism, I wish I could argue with you.
If you’re white and on the left its time you started infiltrating these conservative spaces. I do, and as soon as they see you are white all you have to do is ignore 1 racist comment and these people open all the folds for you. Its time to get dirty with the people spreading the dirt. The right wanted a revolution? They’ll get it.
I’m barely keeping my sanity from fraying, the last thing I need is to make it worse by surrounding myself with people I hate.
Buy guns, learn to use them safely and effectively, stock up on supplies to defend your family and community if the worst happens.
You will inevitably interact with plenty of racists in that process.
If you’re white and on the left its time you started infiltrating these conservative spaces.
I’ll pass
It’s not for everyone. The main reasons to ‘change sides’ so to speak is to simply get a vote in their primaries.
I get in there, once I’m trusted I talk about what they actually want from society, and then subtly make a pointed question if thats what the GOP is doing. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t, but I always get them to question things and thats the most important part.
Soon it won’t be enough though.
Tried it; it doesn’t matter, in my experience. Conformity is way more important to these folks than they pretend, and once something like this starts getting traction, it gets labelled a thought crime and sealed away.
Did you actually build a relationship? Or just talk to someone in public? If you dont get to a first name basis its not gonna work. Its ass but, a lot of these people aren’t hate filled monsters. The wools been pulled over their eyes. There is no consensus reality anymore. Most people aren’t equipped to handle that. I’ve converted only eight people this way, but thats eight minds that have been rehabilitated to ask questions and seek multiple sources.
Change has to come from inside
Believe me I have tried.
They’re so scared of what they think is socialism, but what they describe is actually communism.
They don’t know why either is bad, just that China has it and they don’t want it.
Yup, you back them into a logical corner which should cause critical thinking and doubt. Just turns into “what about this unrelated thing?” Five minutes into the discussion you realize you can’t convince them because they see politics as a team sport.
White men I can understand (if not agree with). But come on Latinos, you should be fucking better than this.
“Immigrants are poisoning the blood of America”
“Yeah, ese. You tell 'em.”
At least the ones in California appeared to know what was up.
I don’t live in the US but my country has also had a lot of immigration, invasions (true ones with armies, not mean ways to describe immigration), internal migrations from poorer parts of the country, you name it… Basically almost everyone is an immigrant in one way or another.
Well, our version of the far right has a lot of support from first or second generation immigrants.
One part of it is to pull the ladder up after ourselves and avoid others coming in and competing with us for the same jobs. Another part is that immigrants are on average poorer and angrier about the state of things, and for the populist far right, anger is fuel.
But also, Populists are becoming increasingly good at blurring the lines and making certain people feel included in the “in group” at election time, even if they are going to kick them in the head as soon as the ballots close. Case in point, AfD in Germany being led by a gay woman with an immigrant partner, “Brothers of Italy” being led by a single mom… Usha Vance is not an isolated edge case, she seems to be part of a playbook, whether she knows it or not.
“Latino” is a white supremacist term. It’s a denial of ancestry from america, africa, etc. in favor of “latin” culture aka european. White supremacy needs new blood to survive in USA. That’s the whole point of “latino”. That’s why “latinos” are encouraged to think they’re “white”. Meanwhile “whiteness” is nothing more than an oppressive system of racist control.
- https://www.latinolife.co.uk/articles/loathe-word-latino-blame-it-french
- https://theweek.com/race/1023484/why-are-some-latinos-drawn-to-white-supremacy
- http://www.campusactivism.org/server-new/uploads/abolishthepoint.pdf
As a European I don’t get it anyway. Spanish people are white, but apparently are “people of colour” in the US.
I’m guessing it’s one of those “where you came from” things that Americans obsess over. Americans were even “racist” to the Italians and they’re pretty much the whitest country in Europe these days.
Up until the mid 20th century, a lot of Americans didn’t consider Catholic’s to be “white.”
It was a really big deal when Irish Catholic John F Kennedy was elected president.
Whiteness is not an objective quality of people but a socially constructed category that expands or contracts depending on what is needed to maintain in group dominance.
When the in group is weak, you’ll see more people being considered “white,” and when it is strong, the tests will get stricter (looking not only at skin color, for example, but at ancestry). It’s really just a question of how confident racists are that they have sufficient clout to exclude a particular group without undermining their exclusion of other groups.
Are Latinos the next Italians?
By random coincidence, eliminating women’s suffrage is within the overton window of the Republican party.
It’s not even that close to the edge, they’ve already added additional voting barriers for most married women.
Let’s face it, the Republicans are trying to put trump up as a dictator, which eliminates everyone’s right to vote.
Would be interesting if in elections only the most disenfranchised populations could vote
If only they were allowed to vote, would they still be the disenfranchised ones?
I’m a white dude, apparently one of the relatively few left ones. It’s probably because of AuDHD, I grew up knowing what it was like to be in the out group. I lived full time in Honduras for a few years, and not with the military, so I kinda know what it’s like to be an immigrant. I had to deal with their visa/immigration system there. It’s not the same, I’m not saying that it is, but I’ve lived the experience of making community and friends and being reminded by the government that you don’t belong here. I also got to see the immigration issue from the perspective of the people that are subject to it. A lot of these Trump fucks have enjoyed the luxury of never questioning anything, just cruise, watch your hunting shows, live in your bubble and recite your fox news/ tim pool bullshit. I know the type, and it is utterly inconceivable to them that the could ever end up in the out group, and it’s a fucking interesting ride to be along for when they do end up there. Unfortunately, too few of them realize that they weren’t just being singled out by the deep state or Satan because life is a show about them, and that that’s just life for people in the out group.
As a white California man all I can say is VIVA LA CALIFORNIA!
✊️
It’s official, West Coast is the best.
Commiefornia can’t be cracked!
If you’re saying that ironically to mock conservative labels, hell yeah brother!
Otherwise fuck off.
The former
Can we see something like this for ages, too? I heard stats saying that young men (maybe white men in particular) went heavily for Trump, but men ages 70+ went heavily for Harris.
So the reality that was spoken/written during the road to the elections all over Lemmy, were Biden and later Kamala were supposed to win by a large margin, was a false and utter lie? A fabrication?
Okay good
Now what’s to say this isn’t another fabrication as well?
A lot of people aren’t on either the left wing internet OR the right wing internet. They’re just not on the internet. They don’t even watch Fox News. The sum total of what they know about party policy is “Republicans = Christians, Democrats = Atheists”.
My partner went to a meeting, and at the end a man thanked her for “organising” the meeting. Which she had nothing to do with. She was just a woman in the meeting. Thanks, white men!
There are Latinos who are whiter than my pink/red/orange skinned gringo buddy from the US
